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echarp wrote:
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:49:24PM -0700, MG wrote:Some say that true democracy can exist without totally free speech.
ec: It most certainly can exist. You would have political freedom, yet laws or other means to restrict what you can say.-M: Yes, as it is now.
ec: Yet our current civilisation is based on free speech and the free market of ideas, in parts. Internet certainly improves on it, offering a new world actually based on ideas and their exchange.
-M: OK, nothing new here, gentlemen.
mG: I say that there is no point in having democracy without full right to propose so free speech is a must for true democracy. What do you all say?
ec: +1 mostly from me, but democracy can be a tool used in different contexts.Free speech is almost orthogonal in that respect. Well, my vision is one of a tool maker, that might explain a lot :)
-M: Yes, and there are varying freedoms by which people can vote - My SD2-Smartocracy gives people over 10 different kinds of voting data inputs, while your Parlement/EC-D gives people only 2 :
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