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Some say that true democracy can exist without totally free speech. I say that there is no point in having democracy without full right to propose so free speech is a must for true democracy. What do you all say?
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:49:24PM -0700, MG wrote:
Some say that true democracy can exist without totally free speech.It most certainly can exist. You would have political freedom, yet laws or other means to restrict what you can say.
Yet our current civilisation is based on free speech and the free market of ideas, in parts. Internet certainly improves on it, offering a new world actually based on ideas and their exchange.
I say that there is no point in having democracy without full right topropose so free speech is a must for true democracy.What do you all say?
+1 mostly from me, but democracy can be a tool used in different contexts.
Free speech is almost orthogonal in that respect. Well, my vision is one of a tool maker, that might explain a lot :)
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:49:24PM -0700, MG wrote:Some say that true democracy can exist without totally free speech.
ec: It most certainly can exist. You would have political freedom, yet laws or other means to restrict what you can say.-M: Yes, as it is now.
ec: Yet our current civilisation is based on free speech and the free market of ideas, in parts. Internet certainly improves on it, offering a new world actually based on ideas and their exchange.
-M: OK, nothing new here, gentlemen.
mG: I say that there is no point in having democracy without full right to propose so free speech is a must for true democracy. What do you all say?
ec: +1 mostly from me, but democracy can be a tool used in different contexts.Free speech is almost orthogonal in that respect. Well, my vision is one of a tool maker, that might explain a lot :)
-M: Yes, and there are varying freedoms by which people can vote - My SD2-Smartocracy gives people over 10 different kinds of voting data inputs, while your Parlement/EC-D gives people only 2 :
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mG: Some say that true democracy can exist without totally free speech.-M: No country has totally free speach, nor should they.
mG: I say that there is no point in having democracy without full right to propose so free speech is a must for true democracy. What do you all say?
-M: Political speach needs to be free or its no longer rule by the
people -
it would now be rule by speach controllers -
hence an oligarchy instead of a democracy.
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“-M: Political speach needs to be free or its no longer rule by the
people -
it would now be rule by speach controllers -
hence an oligarchy instead of a democracy. "
+1 -This is my conclusion too. But there might be need for some very basic rules, that are impossible or very seldom changed and that are voted about in the first place. That’s a constitution.
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